Quote from Ninering62 on 07/28/2023, 09:30

TY for getting that posted for me.

Quote from mnt_monkey on 08/07/2023, 13:38

I’m not a big man 5-ft 150 lb sometimes sometimes 140 I don’t have a big chest and big shoulders smokeless muzzleloaders kick a lot even with a good brake, learning to manage your recoil signature takes time, I will describe what I do and I don’t know if it will help you. I really ttry and stiffen up and get all of my body behind the gun even though it is contacting my shoulder from the waist up as I’m sitting in a chair on the bench I really bow up all of my upper body, if I don’t do that and I relax in the upper body at all I end up taking a lot of the whip of The Recoil into all of the upper body I guess if I could give you a word picture if I don’t tighten up my upper body a lot then The Recoil almost will act like a bullwhip and it will manage me instead of me manage it and it will also make me flinch if I allow a couple of shots and let the recoil get the best of me what I’m trying to describe is not easy but I try to have such a strong shoulder and upper body behind the gun at the moment rifle fires that my whole body takes that not just a shoulder because if I let that happen then that energy is going to go through me like energy goes like a bullwhip so I really focus on staying strong behind the rifle another thing I do too is with my visual eye or both eyes if I’m shooting both eyes open I try to draw an imaginary line and I know that sounds crazy too but as I’m looking through my crosshairs and as I’m pulling that trigger in my mind I try to draw a line straight to that Target and I hold that gun and focus on the follow through a lot I really is struggling with the words to describe that however it is an important part of my own shooting and maybe that’s more mental for me the third thing I do I shoot sometimes on the exhale and I shoot sometimes on the inhale if I have a heavy recoiling gun/ muzzleloader but the recoil is manageable I will shoot on the exhale if I have a gun though that really kicks a lot I will only pull the trigger on a slow inhale and I try to pull it at the same place in that breath cycle every time,, get your whole frame and upper body strength behind the gun otherwise it will whip you draw that line in your visual mental focus on trying to describe and at the moment you pull that trigger hold that line,, try to shoot the same place in your breath cycle every time,,,,, another thing that would help your practice I would get a really lightweight hard kicking rifle for instance the CVA 4570 the one that they make this conversions out of something like that you can get Factory ammo for 4570 in a lightweight rifle like that it’s going to knock the snot out of you,, you can sit there with the loaded ammo and shoot it will help you shoot your muzzleloader,, there are a whole lot of guys out there shooting cva, traditions and other break open muzzleloaders every year that settle for 2 in and 3-in rifles most of them have rifles that will shoot less than an inch they just never developed the skills to shoot the rifles correctly it’s a shame often these are the people looking for a better game bullet the next year because the one that they missed the deer with last year or gut shot it didn’t leave a good enough Blood Trail,,, learning to handle the much slower recoil signature of a brake open Muzzleloader with black horn for instance is also excellent practice,,, if you’re ever around bench rest shooters you will find out that they are anal about doing everything the same shot to shot you need to apply the same mindset to your muzzleloading,, I shoot a lot day to day week to week and again being a smaller frame man if I don’t really stay on top of what works for me mechanically my groups open up quickly another thing I do not do is once I get recoil stressed a little bit I’m through for the day I’m only going to shoot maybe five or six five shot groups and I start to lose my focus the recall starts to get to me Maybe for some of us that’s just one or two groups or even one group the moment you start to lose your group Focus composure you might as well stop and rest try it again the next day if your schedule lets you.

Quote from Ninering62 on 08/07/2023, 18:32

Quote from mnt_monkey on 08/07/2023, 13:38

I’m not a big man 5-ft 150 lb sometimes sometimes 140 I don’t have a big chest and big shoulders smokeless muzzleloaders kick a lot even with a good brake, learning to manage your recoil signature takes time, I will describe what I do and I don’t know if it will help you. I really ttry and stiffen up and get all of my body behind the gun even though it is contacting my shoulder from the waist up as I’m sitting in a chair on the bench I really bow up all of my upper body, if I don’t do that and I relax in the upper body at all I end up taking a lot of the whip of The Recoil into all of the upper body I guess if I could give you a word picture if I don’t tighten up my upper body a lot then The Recoil almost will act like a bullwhip and it will manage me instead of me manage it and it will also make me flinch if I allow a couple of shots and let the recoil get the best of me what I’m trying to describe is not easy but I try to have such a strong shoulder and upper body behind the gun at the moment rifle fires that my whole body takes that not just a shoulder because if I let that happen then that energy is going to go through me like energy goes like a bullwhip so I really focus on staying strong behind the rifle another thing I do too is with my visual eye or both eyes if I’m shooting both eyes open I try to draw an imaginary line and I know that sounds crazy too but as I’m looking through my crosshairs and as I’m pulling that trigger in my mind I try to draw a line straight to that Target and I hold that gun and focus on the follow through a lot I really is struggling with the words to describe that however it is an important part of my own shooting and maybe that’s more mental for me the third thing I do I shoot sometimes on the exhale and I shoot sometimes on the inhale if I have a heavy recoiling gun/ muzzleloader but the recoil is manageable I will shoot on the exhale if I have a gun though that really kicks a lot I will only pull the trigger on a slow inhale and I try to pull it at the same place in that breath cycle every time,, get your whole frame and upper body strength behind the gun otherwise it will whip you draw that line in your visual mental focus on trying to describe and at the moment you pull that trigger hold that line,, try to shoot the same place in your breath cycle every time,,,,, another thing that would help your practice I would get a really lightweight hard kicking rifle for instance the CVA 4570 the one that they make this conversions out of something like that you can get Factory ammo for 4570 in a lightweight rifle like that it’s going to knock the snot out of you,, you can sit there with the loaded ammo and shoot it will help you shoot your muzzleloader,, there are a whole lot of guys out there shooting cva, traditions and other break open muzzleloaders every year that settle for 2 in and 3-in rifles most of them have rifles that will shoot less than an inch they just never developed the skills to shoot the rifles correctly it’s a shame often these are the people looking for a better game bullet the next year because the one that they missed the deer with last year or gut shot it didn’t leave a good enough Blood Trail,,, learning to handle the much slower recoil signature of a brake open Muzzleloader with black horn for instance is also excellent practice,,, if you’re ever around bench rest shooters you will find out that they are anal about doing everything the same shot to shot you need to apply the same mindset to your muzzleloading,, I shoot a lot day to day week to week and again being a smaller frame man if I don’t really stay on top of what works for me mechanically my groups open up quickly another thing I do not do is once I get recoil stressed a little bit I’m through for the day I’m only going to shoot maybe five or six five shot groups and I start to lose my focus the recall starts to get to me Maybe for some of us that’s just one or two groups or even one group the moment you start to lose your group Focus composure you might as well stop and rest try it again the next day if your schedule lets you.

Really nice, detailed write-up brother.