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Fury bullets

Hello, new here with a question on fury bullets, I have a T/C omega and I am currently using blackhorn powder with barnes mz’s, which fury bullets would I use to replace this set up? There is not much info on the websight?

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Charles Treutlein

Hey Chuck,
Are you shooting .50 cal Omega and .45s with sabot? 

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Yes.

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Barnes mz tipped.

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Quote from chuckt56 on 07/30/2023, 16:19

Hello, new here with a question on fury bullets, I have a T/C omega and I am currently using blackhorn powder with barnes mz’s, which fury bullets would I use to replace this set up? There is not much info on the websight?

Hey Chuck, I’m a fellow Omega fanatic. I fell in love with them when they were first released. I have had a few of them, I’m doing 2 Omega smokeless builds now with another planned. I’ve been shooting primarily fury bullets for almost 4 yrs now as well. So I think that I can help you here. Tim hit me up asking me to assist & I’d be glad to. Though, we do have a cpl more OMega fanatics & very experienced shooters in here as well, perhaps they’d join in & offer their words of wisdom here. I’ll LOL bc you’ll end up hearing all 3 of us say about exactly the same thing in the end. Thats a very good thing when ya think about it right.

I’m assuming that your Omega is a .50 1:28 from your bullet/sabot ya listed. The 290g Barnes TMZ? 

Fury does not make a monolithic bullet. BUT, they do make several very nice other options in both bullet to bore & .45/50 sabot combos too. 

I’ll start with the .50 bullet options first;

.50 Star Tip 2P in 285g or 320g. The cool thing about the 1:28 twist is that it will throw both bullet weights just fine.

He has a regular Star Tip MZ bullet that would serve you well too – BUT, you will need to know your exact bore dia & know what size to have them knurled ( if that is needed, you’ll need to know that too ). 

There is another option ( better suited for a novice muzzleloader shooter )its called the .50 Universal fit bullet. They are in 285g & 320g. What makes them so special, is the poly gas check on the bottoom of them. It is a washer of sorts that lets the grooves cut into it & it seals the bore, regardless of the bore dia which they all float a little & when it comes to properly sizing bullets we are talking 4 decimal places. These bullets make negate having to worry about all of that. And you won’t need to buy a 145.00 adj sizing die & another 100.00 on a single stage press to be able to use them. 

Now, lets talk about .45 bullet options;

He offers a .452 300g LT ( Lead Tip ) bullet that in a sabot would serve you very well.

He has a Star Tip MZ bullet in 250g, 275g, & 300g. All will serve you well in the right sabot for your gun. 

He has a Star Tip BP ( for slower Black Powder rated velocity ) in a 250g bullet if you want to shoot light loads of BH 209 for recoil purposes, this is your bullet.

He has a Star Tip 2P in .452 which is one of his bullets that I shoot a lot of, but in a .45 muzzleloader. They are rated for BH 209 & smokeless velocities. He has those in 250g, 275g, 300g, 325g, all will shoot very well in the right sabot out of your gun. 

I hope that that covers what you wanted to know.  Plz feel free to ask in this thread or if you’d like, you can private message me for further questions.

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Thanks for the info right now I am using the newest barns MZ EZ (I think that is what they are called) and they feed better than the older mz’s and i am putting them inside an inch at 100yds. I really like them but am interested in the fury’s possibly for next year. If I decide to go that route that would be the bullets of choice. But I was not sure which star tips I could use with the blackhorn powder and sabot’s because they are listed as black powder and smokeless. And even though blackhorn is a blackpowder sub. but it is smokeless and it is more like shooting a modern rifle. And I have gone to weighing mine instead of the traditional volume method and i get way more consistent and tighter groups this way.

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Quote from chuckt56 on 07/30/2023, 19:37

Thanks for the info right now I am using the newest barns MZ EZ (I think that is what they are called) and they feed better than the older mz’s and i am putting them inside an inch at 100yds. I really like them but am interested in the fury’s possibly for next year. If I decide to go that route that would be the bullets of choice. But I was not sure which star tips I could use with the blackhorn powder and sabot’s because they are listed as black powder and smokeless. And even though blackhorn is a blackpowder sub. but it is smokeless and it is more like shooting a modern rifle. And I have gone to weighing mine instead of the traditional volume method and i get way more consistent and tighter groups this way.

 It sounds like you are interested in using the Star Tips from what you wrote. MZ & BP rated bullets are for slower black powder velocities or lighter BH 209 or smokeless charges. They will perform at slower velocities. 

” Bullets of choice ” is not something that anyone could use to help you choose the right bullet to use bc no one knows what kind of game that you intend to use it on & at what velocity range. 

If you are whitetail hunting, a 250g or 275g bullet will handle all of your needs, your effective hunting range with them will depend on your velocity. 

If you are hunting Muleys or Elk or Black Bear then you want to use a heavier bullet like 300g – 325g bullets. 

I’m not sure what else you are looking for here. Just ask & try to be as specific & detailed as you can to help us assist you better. 

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  1. mb.mnt.monkey@gmail.com Avatar
    mb.mnt.monkey@gmail.com

    Been shooting a converted pair amount for about a year now Woodman arms did it for me Mark at Woodman arms if anyone else is looking, I’m a big Paramount fan in spite of the issues a lot of people have had with bullets and board dimensions I had those problems with my gun and that’s why I chose to be Barrel it very happy with it and the results and 18 twist brux,, was I able to get a number 17 Contour down into the factory stock with a little work I have since then put a new stock on the rifle a lot more to say maybe it’s time goes on.

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    mb.mnt.monkey@gmail.com

    First post on a new site and I don’t bother to hit spell check sorry about that I do have my own language

  3. Sideshow Avatar
    Sideshow

    Well thats a pretty hot load alright in a 40 !!! A bit hotter than i desire .

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      customguns

      It is, but I checked with Ken at Brux Barrel and Kyle Pittman ran the Quickloads calculation on it. It’s a right stout recoil, even with a muzzle brake, but manageable and safe in my rifle.

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        Sideshow

        Yes a QuickLoads program is a Requirement for the 40 if you intend to stay healthy lol . In fact its difficult to keep lighter bullet loads in the 49 to 53 Kpsi areas with some faster powders and light bullets . Thats what Hankins brass moduals will handle usually . The Alum-bronze ,AB ,hard moduals handle to 62k psi or so . The quick pressure rise of a 40 is both good and bad but definately one to watch out for Very Carefully . The higher pressure is needed for cleaner burning of a powder . Just watch out for the 40s tendacy to suddenly spike with very little more powder .

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    Sideshow

    What i dont like is 300gr and above bullets seem to take massive powder charges to obturate bullets acceptably and truthfully full sizing too . TRUTHFULLY Direct ignition should be used too to help obturation with the long heavier bullets .
    Life on the lighter side is just far easier to me all around .

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    Sideshow

    INCIDENTLY ADMINISTRATORS …….
    Mtn Monkey gave me the web address of this site . On a google search it WONT BE FOUND . Without Marks info i Never could have got on here . Even to re find this site i must put that link he gave me back in . The history on my device connects to No Where . Just a heads up on what ive found guys . Figure i best say something .
    Oh yes i was going to start a thread under the 700ml section and couldnt figure out how to post it ?? Lol i know that sounds bad but……
    Thanks for your attention on these details . Sideshow…..

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      Sideshow

      My bad — I didnt tell you all congatulations !! Sorry guys .
      I know gettng the bugs out and such is only a time thing and will be handled . I hope to see you grow and prosper too . Smokeless muzzleloading seems to be in another “changeing” mode now . Im likeing the apparent offerings in choices listed . Good idea !!!

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      customguns

      It will take awhile for the site to rank on a Google search, but it’s registered with the search engines. Just takes time.

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        Sideshow

        Ok . I know new usually does .

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        I hate to say this but ive been continueing to use google search to find this site . It doesnt work .
        I believe you are going to need a name change to be found . The previous site with this name is the ONLY ONE OFFERED .
        This will kill this one before it ever has a chance . If i dont use the web address mtn monkey gave to to click on i dont get on here . If i put in the Same Exact Things that are in the web address he gave me IT WILL NOT CONNECT TO HERE !!!
        If i were you id change the name because here is Not Recognized AT ALL . JUST SAYIN……this isnt working out .

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          customguns

          Sideshow,
          Took four months for my website to show up on Google and I used a professional company to register with all the search engines. This site shows up first on Yandex and second on several others. Google is not gun friendly. Site has been up a week. To pronounce it’s not working out is premature. I currently have five websites. All of them took time to climb the search engine rankings. By time I mean months.

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            Tim the operation of this site has more troubles than you think . Not being a Smart A** just being honest . I cant tell you how many times ive had to make a new passward because mine doesnt work day to day . Yes im frustrated but im.also here to help you . Im telling you theres problems with this site . Whorever put it up professionally has got bugs to chase out of it . It Doesnt Work Right .

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    logandriggers

    Never owned a smokeless muzzleloader but am an avid hunter. What would be a great first smokeless muzzleloader to get

    1. customguns Avatar
      customguns

      Convert a CVA Scout 45/70 to a smokeless .45. Inexpensive way to get into SML and it’s a very accurate gun.

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    customguns

    As you find bugs please let us know so we can address them. Thanks

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    Hi Tim.

    I like the idea of having you convert my Paramount 45 cal to a 40 cal Brux barrel so I can use VVN120 and a Fury 225gr Black tip. I want a 400 yd capable rifle that shoots incredibly good, and doesn’t kick my shoulder to death. I don’t want to use a muzzle brake. This rifle is almost exclusively for deer hunting from tower tree stands in the cold of Wisconsin’s December muzzleloader hunt. I’d like to keep the Paramount stock, and have the barrel match the OEM barrel’s external dimensions as close as possible to minimize cost of stock alterations, but if alterations are necessary, then that’s ok too. The barrel should match the color of the Paramount/Bergara barrel, or maybe a matte silver, but not be a shiny, high gloss finish, I’ll keep my Leupold VariXIII, 6 x 20 x 42 on it.

    What twist is best for the 225 grain, .402 Fury? 1:14? Do you think I’m wrong wanting the lighter weight Fury? If so what do you recommend?

    I’ll need you to help me order the Brux barrel.

    Thanks.

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      customguns

      I’ll defer to Mountain Monkey, Ninering62 or one of the other guys on best rate of twist on a light bullet. I only shoot heavier bullets, 350 grain in the .40. I like the high ballistic coefficient and energy dump the heavier bullets deliver. Where I hunt if the deer or bear doesn’t drop in its tracks, I may never find it. It’s always been my understanding the quicker rate of twist is for heavier bullets. My .40 has a 1 in 14 twist rate and I get .25” groups at 100 yards using 350 grain bullets.

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      Sideshow

      That 1 in 14 will serve you just fine for a 40 useing light bullets . You also will be fine with a #6 Brux on the gun for shooting considerably heavier loads and bullets . I have that now and will be recontouring to a 1.2 inch shank for a half pound loss with a slightly heavier , .025″ , than a #5 barrel for more weight reduction . I wont venture over the 275gr pittman or hammers with up to 80 gr of H4895 . Thats mid 2900s + velocity . 8lbs scoped braked or not thats gonna kick . 56 to 57gr of 4198 w a 225gr is 2800 fps from a 26in barrel . Less n120 will put you there and easily kill deer to 400yds and more .
      Youll want pittman hardcores too so the 228s he calls them . 2550 fps and under for regular pittmans that open up quickly and do massive damage but use the 3gr heavier hardcores for velocitys above that . Especially if youd like a exit wound . Hope this helps ..

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    Mach3 Muzzleloaders

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